Ungimping Tenalafel

[Flavia]

Since I’ve ungimped Laria ( thanks to the swashbuckler tree ) I’ve managed to cap her and get her flagged to thunderpeak ( I’ll get down to flagging her to wyrm too someday… but she needs to be better equipped than what she has right now to survive in either long as it has been proved ), I’ve been working on Tenalafel… And well compared to The Kender he is a huge gimp…
He has no DPS, he is squishy as hell, and I’m not even going to talk about his ability to survive… even by my standard they are really poor. ( he is worse than Laria was before she got ungimped by the swashbuckler tree and SWF )

So the mission is to ungimp him through LR.
I have enough LR Hearts ( Including +1, +3, +5 and +20 ones ) to be able to do anything with him.

The rules are simple :
– He needs to be an Elf, that’s not negociable.
– He needs to be loosely tied to his original PnP character ( Rogue 9/Wiz 15 in ADD2 terms ).

All the rest is possible. As for the outfitting, I’m open to suggestion.

[Legend]

Class Split? What do you want him to do mainly? weapons/spells?

Should just need to use the +20 once, it is then all about getting right mix of equipment, max dodge and prr along with enhancements.

[Lisa]

Get someone else to play him? 😛

[Flavia]

Changing the player is sadly not a viable option 😛

As for the class mix, weapon/spell… First : I’m not that good with an arcane.
( consider that I have two arcanes… one if the Monday Group Mage )

So Weapon it is going to be… the rest is open. Class split is also open, as long as it’s loosely tied with his PnP Origin. ( loosely is the important term here )

[Sinaefay]

Could go 13rog/5wiz/2ftr, and cherry pick stuff from the eldritch knight tree to boost melee, get extend and quicken and useful buffs from wiz, fighter gives feats, haste boost, extra boosts, and take elf dragonmark to get the displace mark.

[Ryan]

So, you dont want to be gimp and survive in the toughest content?

Im thinking……

Sun Elf,
20 Levels of Wizard (Pale Master)
Carry some lock picks, GDM scrolls and load Knock to satisfy your Rogue needs.

If your not good with Arcanes then see it as a challenge to overcome and excel at. Everyone know you only need five spells as an Arcane.

You will be a living (well, undead) God and be practically unkillable (in an undead sort of way)

Ok, so its a bit tongue in cheek 🙂 (you could splash two levels of Rogue)

What about pure Assassin? I loved my Rogue life on Corazon and I regret not taking him into Epics.

[Flavia]

Sadly Assassin doesn’t work well in Epic… The DC issue…
And since they killed the Mechanic tree, The Kender is supposed to fill that slot.

While I appreciate the suggestion, I don’t think it’s for Tenalafel ( I’ll keep the Sun Elf/Wiz idea tucked somewhere for another character… the Gimp WF Wiz LVL 21 [yes I have one] )

[Ryan]

I didnt realise there was an issue with Assassinate DCs in Epics.

Another life I truly enjoyed was Tempest Trap Monkey but again I didnt take him into Epics (I actually didnt take any of Corazons lives into Epics except his FvS life) so Im only speaking from a Heroic contents POV.

Edit added……I always had issues with Traps on him so I guess that rules this one out as well 🙂

[Flavia]

I’ve toyed with The Planner tonight and here is what I came with :

Rog13/Brd5/Ftr2/5Epic (since he is LVL 25 )
I noted his current tomes ( STR +2, DEX +3, CON +3, INT +3 and WIS +1 )

Below is what I’ve made… naked.

Feel free to comment/break the build… well you know the thing…
Since it’s my first serious attempt at making a decent build ( and a multiclass one to boot ), I’m certain I fell in all the pit traps available.

Note : since the Planner doesn’t haveth SWF line yet, I took TWF instead, replace each of the 3 TWF feat for the SWF Feats.

tenalafel 
Level 25 True Neutral Elf Male
(2 Fighter \ 13 Rogue \ 5 Bard \ 5 Epic) 
Hit Points: 293
Spell Points: 178 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 17
Will: 7

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 25)           (Level 25)
Strength             13                 15                   15
Dexterity            16                 21                   21
Constitution         11                 16                   16
Intelligence         16                 20                   20
Wisdom                8                  9                    9
Charisma             14                 14                   14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11
+3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 25)          (Level 25)
Balance               7                 24.5                 29.5
Bluff                 6                 21                   26
Concentration         0                  3                    8
Diplomacy             2                  2                    7
Disable Device        7                 28                   33
Haggle                2                  2                    7
Heal                 -1                 -1                    4
Hide                  7                 24                   31
Intimidate            2                  2                    7
Jump                  5                 21                   26
Listen               -1                 -1                    6
Move Silently         7                 24                   29
Open Lock             7                 27                   32
Perform               n/a               23                   28
Repair                3                  5                   10
Search                7                 24                   31
Spellcraft            3                  5                   10
Spot                  3                 18                   25
Swim                  5                 21                   26
Tumble                n/a                6                   11
Use Magic Device      6                 25                   30

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Bluff (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge

Level 2 (Bard)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Perform (+5)
Skill: Swim (+1)[
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)[
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)[
Skill: Search (+1)[
Skill: Spot (+1)[
Skill: Swim (+1)[
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)[/
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack

Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
[Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Finesse

Level 6 (Bard)
Skill: Bluff (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow

Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Spot (+1)

Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: CON
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)

Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)[
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill:  Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 12 (Bard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+2)
Skill: Perform (+7)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fightin

Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: [Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)

Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)

Level 15 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+6)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons

Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist

Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)

Level 18 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Bluff (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: [Perform (+3)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons

Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Disable Device (+5)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 20 (Rogue)
[=]Ability Raise: INT
[=]Skill: Balance (+1)
[=]Skill: Bluff (+1)
[=]Skill: evice (+1)
[=]Skill: Hide (+1)
[=]Skill: Jump (+1)
[=]Skill: Move Silently (+1)
[=]Skill: Open Lock (+3)
[=]Skill: Search (+1)
[=]Skill: Spot (+1)
[=]Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
[=]Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike

Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave

Level 22 (Epic)

Level 23 (Epic)

Level 24 (Epic)
Ability Raise: 
Feat:(Selected) Epic: Improved Sneak Attack

Level 25 (Epic)

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[Legend]

Can you please breakdown Feats u will choose and what u want from the 5 lvls of Bard, only obvious thing I can see is to increase Con at start, reduce str as you will more than likely get another stat to hit and damage with.

[Flavia]

they are noted at each level where there’s one to choose… remember TWF is in fact SWF as the planner doesn’t have SWF yet.

And I4ll work on STR -> CON. At a Glance I can probably do STR 10, CON 14

[Sinaefay]

Unless you need int 16 for a req for something, you can probably get away with 10 or 12 int, as you got plenty of rogue levels to keep up trapping skills. I would put all level ups in dex as well, as int doesnt really give much unless you plan to rely more on the harper tree after u23, in which case INT is benefical (but would also make weap finesse useless).

I would also suggest that you dont put any points in hide/ms, or put just 1 in each, as sneaking isnt of much use in epics (I could sneak the sleeping dragon in eGH on Sin without any ranks in them, just with a +20 item, dex skills and dex mod, the DC for this is 52-53).

You can put 1 point in jump and still hit 40 at epic levels (at level 25, with a +6 str item and rage, you will have 1 (rank) + 5 (epic ranks) + 4 (atleast if not more, str mod) + 30 (spell or amrath clickie or cannith propulsion boots).

Definitely only put max 1 rank in swim (if at all), as you dont need anything more in there (as the ring of the buccaneer gives good enough boost to swim, as does merfolk’s blessing). Same for tumble, unless you really want to do somersaults :), only put 1 rank in it.

Max ranks in heal, as it will boost your healing spells much more than you think when you are in the upper epic levels).

I would say that putting points in diplo will help, as you can then bring mobs to a tank and the diplo them off you to the tank.

I would be tempted to suggest you taking toughness, as you might want to buff your hp a bit. I think you can skip PA and cleave, and go precision and something else and after u23 take Overwhelming Crit at epic levels instead.
I would also suggest taking imp evasion instead of crippling strike (epic mobs regen stat dmg every sec (or several points every 2 secs), and imp evasion will be much more beneficial.

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