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  • #9074
    Sthax
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    Hey Swords,

    As Sthiix is reahing completionist i´ve been pondering what i´m gonna be running for endgame.
    With reaper stuff here i´m thinking on making him a healer support thingy.

    I know most of you will say just take the 12 cleric/ 6 cleric 2 cleric split. but… where’s the fun in that!?

    So these are the raw options i am considering.

    Sthiix has +6 tomes across the board.

    preferably i want 15 cleric lives for the spells and full radiance burst aura goodness. but maybe 13 cleric lvls will suffice.

    Furthermore i’d like to have a good SP-pool and not be dieing or atleast as the last one in the party. So good saves, nice HP, prolly some range attack and maybe some CC support.

    Feats to consider: emp heal / max spell / emp spell / quick spell / completionist

    15 Cleric / 5 Warlock
    Ran this before as my cleric life and was fun. with the light dmg synergy and whot not.
    Chain blasting with confusion, ES HP and displacement, while supporting heals and radiant burst and eldrich burst ,BladeBarrier and just kite everything to death. . Also some PRR HP etc from eldrich aura. might go shield mastery line for survival but that would moot the chain eldrich. maybe mental thougness is a better option to get SP and crit on dps and heals some more.

    13 cleric / 5 warlock / 2 monk
    next i thought about monk, maybe mix that in. Make that high wis count for something. instead of shield mastery i would invest in stances maybe some zen archery. Combine that with AA from morninglord and paralyze arrows it might work for something. i’ll get evasion and some decent saves. also an option with monk lvls would be druid past life for the flame swords. wis to dmg and hit.

    15 cleric / 3 monk / 2 fvs
    Next i thought fvs lets get some endless SP going. take just reward and do some dps to get the SP pool up and running. now the warlock burst would be great for this to get some free SP. the fvs lvl will also give some extra SP over warlock or cleric lives. maybe a 13 cleric 5 warlock 2 fvs might be interesting too.
    3 monk for healing fist and 2 extra feats and the stance line and wisdom goodness.

    13 cleric /2 Arti/ 5 rogue
    I’m also running the great terror build for my last rogue life. wich might give some options into CC. ( http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1456202865/11 ) good fun and nice CC fearing everyting and PKing alot. works on those pesky reapers too.
    So a fit would be to do 13 cleric /2 Arti/ 5 rogue and mix in the AA terror stuff.
    but it would prolly be hard to get the enhancements and feat in the right place.

    i’m just emptying my brain here. thinking on a fun way to support a party in reaper mode.

    i have 2 questions you guys wich will guide my path a bit more.

    1: how important are lvl 8 and/or 9 spells from the cleric? in my eyes they seem unneccessary. at lvl 13 i get resurrection and greater resto

    2: how effective is the radiant aura? next to bursts and mass heals that should give allot of HP. Seems like it might be costly to give up tier 5 for it.

    Hope someone can answer the last questions.
    If anyone have any good ideas lemme know. trying to figure out a decent build.

    Cheers,
    Sth*x

    #9079
    Ryan
    Member

    Hello Sthix

    Gratz on getting (about to get) Completionist.

    Time to aim for Triple???? 🙂

    Below are some facts about my recently dusted off Cleric – I think his split is 15C 3P 2F, but I cant really remember tbh. I havent actually run him in any quests since getting him out of retirement but it’ll give you an idea of what you can achieve as a minimum as hes a firt lifer with low to average gear.

    His dps is appalling as I respecced him from THF to be a aura/ burst bot healerfor Reaper. He used to be a full blown raid healer back in the day but I +5’d him when I stopped raiding.

    He may well just turn out to be a wasted party slot, but I dont know until I run him.

    Im pretty busy running my main Corazon at the moment and just havent had time.

    1750 Hps
    165 ish PRR
    170 ish AC
    73% miss chance
    2700 Sp
    Quickened Mass Cures (CCWs at about 1000 iirc)
    Aura at about 100 per tick
    Bursts around 500
    22 recharging bursts available
    4 or 5 recharging Lays plus Light the Dark.
    Renew
    No True Rez due to multiclass but has Quickened normal Rezzes
    Death Pact to self Rez

    Ryan

    #9081
    Sthax
    Member

    Hey Ryan

    Thnx for the reply.

    i’m curious to know if the heal aura is needed in a reaper quest. its nice and all but is it worth the T5.

    I’ve been tinkering in the planner and will go for the 15 cleric 5 warlock split if i dont like it i’ll just TR again.

    here is what i’ve came up with.

    Level 20 Lawful Neutral Morninglord Male
    (15 Cleric / 5 Warlock)
    Hit Points: 325
    Spell Points: 1465

    BAB: 14/14/19/24
    Fortitude: 18
    Reflex: 11
    Will: 25

    Starting Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
    (36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
    Strength 8 15
    Dexterity 8 15
    Constitution 14 22
    Intelligence 14 21
    Wisdom 18 30
    Charisma 14 21

    Tomes Used
    +6 Tome of Strength used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

    Starting Ending
    Skill Ranks Skill Ranks
    Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)

    Concentration 4 23
    Heal 4 28
    Spellcraft 4 25
    Use Magic Device n/a 36

    Level 1 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
    Feat: (Deity) Favored by Amaunator

    Level 2 (Cleric)

    Level 3 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Completionist

    Level 4 (Cleric)
    Ability Raise: WIS

    Level 5 (Cleric)

    Level 6 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell

    Level 7 (Warlock)

    Level 8 (Warlock) Ability Raise: WIS

    Level 9 (Warlock)
    Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell

    Level 10 (Cleric)

    Level 11 (Warlock)

    Level 12 (Warlock)
    Ability Raise: WIS
    Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

    Level 13 (Cleric)

    Level 14 (Cleric)

    Level 15 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness

    Level 16 (Cleric)
    Ability Raise: WIS

    Level 17 (Cleric)

    Level 18 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness

    Level 19 (Cleric)

    Level 20 (Cleric)
    Ability Raise: WIS

    hmm code doesn’t work.

    if i went human i could get insightfull reflex wich would be nice.

    the enhancements will go full ES for burst.
    radiant servant till i get the +lvl for heals and burst
    divine disiple for spell crit and maybe a SLA or 2
    some in race tree for extra turning and shith-it-the-fan-heal

    running in exhalted angel for extra light dmg, extra turning and higher spell lvl.

    #9082
    Ryan
    Member

    Regarding T5 Aura – I didnt really give it any thought at the time.

    Having given it some thought now you’ve mentioned it I cant see what the other Cleric trees offer that is better.

    Theoretically, as a close in healer I can have aura ticking in the back ground constantly during and in between fights and use bursts dursing fights. Quickened mass cures cover the damage “big spikes” plus I can keep renew up on the main aggro holder.

    As he was only designed to be used in mid to high skull runs I didnt bother with dps as I dont think I could efficiently do both.

    I cant really comment on your build as Im not a multi classer.

    #9084
    Sthax
    Member

    Yes indeed oither cleric tree’s arn’t that interesting. but the Warlock ones are.

    On DPS: i’m not sure if i’m gonna be decent. looking at the exalted angel stuff it should be pretty good just ticking away in heals and light dmg.
    Should be fairly consistent dps and heals. also the light dmg will add to positive power and vice versa.

    For example would just Reward from Fvs work with Astral Vibrance from Exalted angel?

    I had just reward on my sorc live and i could burst up to 3000SP but they would disappear in a few seconds anyone know how this mechanic work?

    #9088
    Sinaefay
    Member

    Just to throw in more options, here is a very tanky healer (which helps as you might get alot of aggro if you are the last one standing in reaper).

    #9116
    Sthax
    Member

    Hey folks just reporting back on my findings in the healing department.

    ran my 15 cleric – 5 warlock

    in heroics and early Epics is good fun doing dps BB- burst – burst – heal makes for good zerging and keeping up the party.

    in later higher content the dps from bb and the lock bursts is dwindeling as does the HP buff. the blast however is handy to get your Empyrean magic and blood and radiance up in just a sec.

    On the healing part i twisted in renewal and cocoon while running in exalted angel and if in a good party thats all you need i mostly didn’t need my heal spell. ended up with 3300 SP wich is more then ebough to get through to the next shrine.

    On first livers there is no heal fast and great enough to keep them from beeing oneshotted.

    here is a screeny from my end stats. nothing too high as i dont have any proper gear.
    https://postimg.org/image/4q1vvgyyt/

    So this build has been ran. Maybe i get back to it and just switch it to 5 cleric 14 warlock 1 fighter and see how far the twisted healing goes.

    As i ran the EE stuff i didn’t really have time to dps much and i really missed CC
    CC’d mobs dont do dmg 😀 so here is my new tester:

    paralyse cleric
    Level 21 Lawful Good Morninglord Female
    (4 Ranger / 15 Cleric / 1 Artificer / 1 Epic)
    Hit Points: 281
    Spell Points: 1258

    BAB: 15/15/20/25/25
    Fortitude: 16
    Reflex: 15
    Will: 22

    Starting Feat/Enhancement
    Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
    (36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 21)
    Strength 8 15
    Dexterity 14 22
    Constitution 10 17
    Intelligence 16 23
    Wisdom 18 30
    Charisma 12 19

    Tomes Used
    +6 Tome of Strength used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
    +6 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

    Starting Feat/Enhancement
    Skill Ranks Modified Skills
    Skills (Level 1) (Level 21)
    Balance 0 9
    Bluff 0 7
    Concentration 0 6
    Diplomacy 0 7
    Disable Device n/a 31
    Haggle 0 7
    Heal 4 36
    Hide 0 9
    Intimidate 0 7
    Jump 0 5
    Listen 0 13
    Move Silently 0 9
    Open Lock n/a n/a
    Perform n/a n/a
    Repair 1 10
    Search 3 33
    Spellcraft 4 32
    Spot 0 13
    Swim 0 5
    Tumble 2 13
    Use Magic Device 3 19

    Level 1 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Deity) Favored by Amaunator
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Warlock
    Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
    Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot

    Level 2 (Artificer)

    Level 3 (Ranger)
    Feat: (Selected) Completionist
    Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider

    Level 4 (Cleric)
    Ability Raise: WIS

    Level 5 (Cleric)

    Level 6 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell

    Level 7 (Cleric)

    Level 8 (Cleric)
    Ability Raise: WIS

    Level 9 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell

    Level 10 (Cleric)

    Level 11 (Cleric)

    Level 12 (Ranger)
    Ability Raise: WIS
    Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Enchantment

    Level 13 (Ranger)

    Level 14 (Ranger)

    Level 15 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment

    Level 16 (Cleric)
    Ability Raise: DEX

    Level 17 (Cleric)

    Level 18 (Cleric)
    Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot

    Level 19 (Cleric)

    Level 20 (Cleric)
    Ability Raise: WIS

    Skill:
    heal
    spellcraft
    search
    DD
    umd

    enhancements
    full radiant servant
    AA
    the enhancement from morninglord tree
    some minor invesment in defense

    Paralyse and terror arrow and greater command should be doing the CCing. No real dps here but that where the rest of the party comes in.

    been thinking to take last lvl arti for runearm but will lose lvl 7 cleric spells and less caster lvl for heals etc.

    Well report back when i get this one done.

    Cheers
    Sth*x

    Been tinkering some more and was tinking about a monk shuri version of this.
    Then I saw the h-elf with arti delitant then I could drop arti go 6 ranger move completionist to epic feat and get zen archery. Maybe get 1 fight for the feat.

    #9151
    Sthax
    Member

    Soooooo….

    If ran 13 cleric / 6 ranger / 1 arti

    https://postimg.org/image/j8gkup7kl/

    good fun proccing terror or paralyse arrows. Doing the CC means you dont have to heal as much. Dps is crap as expected.
    encantment DC is 62 at lvl 30 68 with arcane insight.

    between healing and shooting an xbow is troublesome because the repeater animation needs to finish befor the spell can be cast. <- not good in tight situation.

    this live i didn’t take the mental thougness line and went for the extra enchantment focus. The mana pool is still exceptable getting 3000 SP as this pool is for healing only its more then enough in most cases.
    defense is okay but nothing special as i’m running around with a xbow all day. must be said that paralysed or feared mobs dont hit you.

    Exalted angel might not be the best ED for this split. shiradi or primal avatar should wortk better at a loss of 3 encant DC and a mass heal SLA.

    the healing is fine in 6 man groups. ran 6 man slavers on r3 with a group and could keep them on their feet pretty well.

    Took the healing aura this live and i must say it makes things alot easier. i need to click heals alot less, wich give me time to CC some more, wich lets me heal less.

    last but least i macro’d my mouse to the healing 5 buttons. makes my allot faster ion the heal department while running around and shooting my xbow.

    Also i really dont use the Heal spell much. its mostly coccoon and renew and then the mass heal sla. wich makes me think if its at all needed. a (mass) regeneration is much more controllable. For heal dots keep people up much better then flat heals.
    might be interesting to have a loo9k at dr00ds

    Well thats it for this live.
    Will be going to run my monk shuri version. 13 cleric/ 6 monk /1 fight Helf prolly in shiradi with wirling wrist and nerve venom. loads more feats and dex wis synergy.

    something along the line of this http://textuploader.com/dtsdy!

    I’ll keep you posted.
    cheers.

    #9189
    Sthax
    Member

    Are there any ways to get higher enchantment DC apart from wisdom – focus – and twists ? Apart from the feats ofc and the AA enhancements.

    Got wis based, the +5 focus +2 insight focus item, draconic fear +3, magister specialist +3 and +3 exalted angel.
    Gonna need to get epic completionist to twist in the heal sla’s.

    And is there a way to check the DC for AA arrows?

    Cheers,
    Sth*x

    #9190
    Sinaefay
    Member

    Fury of the wild has Acute Instincts which if gives +2 wis when raged. The Greater Enchantment Focus augment gives +2 (it works for spells, so might work for this too).

    Those are the ones I can think of atm.

    #9191
    Sthax
    Member

    Ah yes the augment never thoughed of it.

    I decided to just calculate the DC.

    Base 20
    Wis mod 25 ish
    AA tree 4
    Dragonic 3
    Magister 3
    EA ED 3
    Leg feat 4

    Aug 2
    Focus 5
    Insg F 2
    Profane 1

    Ship 1

    Total: 73
    Would that work for will saves in LE also curious to see what the goldilocks number is. Would love to rearrange some twists. Or switch to dex based

    Embolden 2 //if I can find space for it. prolly can.
    Arcane insight 6 // 30 sec out of 3 min .. not very efficient. as the paralyse and terror is used on trash and in 3 min you have gone by allot of trash mobs.

    Optional feats:
    Wiz Pl 1
    Bard Pl 1
    Enchant focus 1
    G focus 1

    Seems like the feat are to expensive for the 4 points. Rather use them for faster attacks. = more procs

    After reading up on thrower/monchers I might go 3 monk 6 ranger 11 cleric. But it depends on how this build will work out. At Lvl 22 now so have some testing to do.

    #9192
    Sthax
    Member

    wait.. does the augment stack with the item focus?

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