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February 21, 2017 at 4:59 pm #9074SthaxMember
Hey Swords,
As Sthiix is reahing completionist i´ve been pondering what i´m gonna be running for endgame.
With reaper stuff here i´m thinking on making him a healer support thingy.I know most of you will say just take the 12 cleric/ 6 cleric 2 cleric split. but… where’s the fun in that!?
So these are the raw options i am considering.
Sthiix has +6 tomes across the board.
preferably i want 15 cleric lives for the spells and full radiance burst aura goodness. but maybe 13 cleric lvls will suffice.
Furthermore i’d like to have a good SP-pool and not be dieing or atleast as the last one in the party. So good saves, nice HP, prolly some range attack and maybe some CC support.
Feats to consider: emp heal / max spell / emp spell / quick spell / completionist
15 Cleric / 5 Warlock
Ran this before as my cleric life and was fun. with the light dmg synergy and whot not.
Chain blasting with confusion, ES HP and displacement, while supporting heals and radiant burst and eldrich burst ,BladeBarrier and just kite everything to death. . Also some PRR HP etc from eldrich aura. might go shield mastery line for survival but that would moot the chain eldrich. maybe mental thougness is a better option to get SP and crit on dps and heals some more.13 cleric / 5 warlock / 2 monk
next i thought about monk, maybe mix that in. Make that high wis count for something. instead of shield mastery i would invest in stances maybe some zen archery. Combine that with AA from morninglord and paralyze arrows it might work for something. i’ll get evasion and some decent saves. also an option with monk lvls would be druid past life for the flame swords. wis to dmg and hit.15 cleric / 3 monk / 2 fvs
Next i thought fvs lets get some endless SP going. take just reward and do some dps to get the SP pool up and running. now the warlock burst would be great for this to get some free SP. the fvs lvl will also give some extra SP over warlock or cleric lives. maybe a 13 cleric 5 warlock 2 fvs might be interesting too.
3 monk for healing fist and 2 extra feats and the stance line and wisdom goodness.13 cleric /2 Arti/ 5 rogue
I’m also running the great terror build for my last rogue life. wich might give some options into CC. ( http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1456202865/11 ) good fun and nice CC fearing everyting and PKing alot. works on those pesky reapers too.
So a fit would be to do 13 cleric /2 Arti/ 5 rogue and mix in the AA terror stuff.
but it would prolly be hard to get the enhancements and feat in the right place.i’m just emptying my brain here. thinking on a fun way to support a party in reaper mode.
i have 2 questions you guys wich will guide my path a bit more.
1: how important are lvl 8 and/or 9 spells from the cleric? in my eyes they seem unneccessary. at lvl 13 i get resurrection and greater resto
2: how effective is the radiant aura? next to bursts and mass heals that should give allot of HP. Seems like it might be costly to give up tier 5 for it.
Hope someone can answer the last questions.
If anyone have any good ideas lemme know. trying to figure out a decent build.Cheers,
Sth*xFebruary 22, 2017 at 12:02 pm #9079RyanMemberHello Sthix
Gratz on getting (about to get) Completionist.
Time to aim for Triple???? 🙂
Below are some facts about my recently dusted off Cleric – I think his split is 15C 3P 2F, but I cant really remember tbh. I havent actually run him in any quests since getting him out of retirement but it’ll give you an idea of what you can achieve as a minimum as hes a firt lifer with low to average gear.
His dps is appalling as I respecced him from THF to be a aura/ burst bot healerfor Reaper. He used to be a full blown raid healer back in the day but I +5’d him when I stopped raiding.
He may well just turn out to be a wasted party slot, but I dont know until I run him.
Im pretty busy running my main Corazon at the moment and just havent had time.
1750 Hps
165 ish PRR
170 ish AC
73% miss chance
2700 Sp
Quickened Mass Cures (CCWs at about 1000 iirc)
Aura at about 100 per tick
Bursts around 500
22 recharging bursts available
4 or 5 recharging Lays plus Light the Dark.
Renew
No True Rez due to multiclass but has Quickened normal Rezzes
Death Pact to self RezRyan
February 22, 2017 at 4:54 pm #9081SthaxMemberHey Ryan
Thnx for the reply.
i’m curious to know if the heal aura is needed in a reaper quest. its nice and all but is it worth the T5.
I’ve been tinkering in the planner and will go for the 15 cleric 5 warlock split if i dont like it i’ll just TR again.
here is what i’ve came up with.
Level 20 Lawful Neutral Morninglord Male
(15 Cleric / 5 Warlock)
Hit Points: 325
Spell Points: 1465BAB: 14/14/19/24
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 11
Will: 25Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 8 15
Dexterity 8 15
Constitution 14 22
Intelligence 14 21
Wisdom 18 30
Charisma 14 21Tomes Used
+6 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+6 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+6 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+6 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+6 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+6 Tome of Charisma used at level 1Starting Ending
Skill Ranks Skill Ranks
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)Concentration 4 23
Heal 4 28
Spellcraft 4 25
Use Magic Device n/a 36Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Feat: (Deity) Favored by AmaunatorLevel 2 (Cleric)
Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) CompletionistLevel 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WISLevel 5 (Cleric)
Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower SpellLevel 7 (Warlock)
Level 8 (Warlock) Ability Raise: WIS
Level 9 (Warlock)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize SpellLevel 10 (Cleric)
Level 11 (Warlock)
Level 12 (Warlock)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Quicken SpellLevel 13 (Cleric)
Level 14 (Cleric)
Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental ToughnessLevel 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WISLevel 17 (Cleric)
Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental ToughnessLevel 19 (Cleric)
Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WIShmm code doesn’t work.
if i went human i could get insightfull reflex wich would be nice.
the enhancements will go full ES for burst.
radiant servant till i get the +lvl for heals and burst
divine disiple for spell crit and maybe a SLA or 2
some in race tree for extra turning and shith-it-the-fan-healrunning in exhalted angel for extra light dmg, extra turning and higher spell lvl.
February 23, 2017 at 9:35 am #9082RyanMemberRegarding T5 Aura – I didnt really give it any thought at the time.
Having given it some thought now you’ve mentioned it I cant see what the other Cleric trees offer that is better.
Theoretically, as a close in healer I can have aura ticking in the back ground constantly during and in between fights and use bursts dursing fights. Quickened mass cures cover the damage “big spikes” plus I can keep renew up on the main aggro holder.
As he was only designed to be used in mid to high skull runs I didnt bother with dps as I dont think I could efficiently do both.
I cant really comment on your build as Im not a multi classer.
February 23, 2017 at 2:45 pm #9084SthaxMemberYes indeed oither cleric tree’s arn’t that interesting. but the Warlock ones are.
On DPS: i’m not sure if i’m gonna be decent. looking at the exalted angel stuff it should be pretty good just ticking away in heals and light dmg.
Should be fairly consistent dps and heals. also the light dmg will add to positive power and vice versa.For example would just Reward from Fvs work with Astral Vibrance from Exalted angel?
I had just reward on my sorc live and i could burst up to 3000SP but they would disappear in a few seconds anyone know how this mechanic work?
February 23, 2017 at 9:58 pm #9088SinaefayMemberJust to throw in more options, here is a very tanky healer (which helps as you might get alot of aggro if you are the last one standing in reaper).
February 26, 2017 at 7:19 pm #9116SthaxMemberHey folks just reporting back on my findings in the healing department.
ran my 15 cleric – 5 warlock
in heroics and early Epics is good fun doing dps BB- burst – burst – heal makes for good zerging and keeping up the party.
in later higher content the dps from bb and the lock bursts is dwindeling as does the HP buff. the blast however is handy to get your Empyrean magic and blood and radiance up in just a sec.
On the healing part i twisted in renewal and cocoon while running in exalted angel and if in a good party thats all you need i mostly didn’t need my heal spell. ended up with 3300 SP wich is more then ebough to get through to the next shrine.
On first livers there is no heal fast and great enough to keep them from beeing oneshotted.
here is a screeny from my end stats. nothing too high as i dont have any proper gear.
https://postimg.org/image/4q1vvgyyt/So this build has been ran. Maybe i get back to it and just switch it to 5 cleric 14 warlock 1 fighter and see how far the twisted healing goes.
As i ran the EE stuff i didn’t really have time to dps much and i really missed CC
CC’d mobs dont do dmg 😀 so here is my new tester:paralyse cleric
Level 21 Lawful Good Morninglord Female
(4 Ranger / 15 Cleric / 1 Artificer / 1 Epic)
Hit Points: 281
Spell Points: 1258BAB: 15/15/20/25/25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 15
Will: 22Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(36 Point) (Level 1) (Level 21)
Strength 8 15
Dexterity 14 22
Constitution 10 17
Intelligence 16 23
Wisdom 18 30
Charisma 12 19Tomes Used
+6 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+6 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+6 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+6 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+6 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+6 Tome of Charisma used at level 1Starting Feat/Enhancement
Skill Ranks Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 21)
Balance 0 9
Bluff 0 7
Concentration 0 6
Diplomacy 0 7
Disable Device n/a 31
Haggle 0 7
Heal 4 36
Hide 0 9
Intimidate 0 7
Jump 0 5
Listen 0 13
Move Silently 0 9
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 10
Search 3 33
Spellcraft 4 32
Spot 0 13
Swim 0 5
Tumble 2 13
Use Magic Device 3 19Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by Amaunator
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Artificer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Druid
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Warlock
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank ShotLevel 2 (Artificer)
Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Completionist
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil OutsiderLevel 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WISLevel 5 (Cleric)
Level 6 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken SpellLevel 7 (Cleric)
Level 8 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WISLevel 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing SpellLevel 10 (Cleric)
Level 11 (Cleric)
Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: EnchantmentLevel 13 (Ranger)
Level 14 (Ranger)
Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: EnchantmentLevel 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEXLevel 17 (Cleric)
Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise ShotLevel 19 (Cleric)
Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: WISSkill:
heal
spellcraft
search
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full radiant servant
AA
the enhancement from morninglord tree
some minor invesment in defenseParalyse and terror arrow and greater command should be doing the CCing. No real dps here but that where the rest of the party comes in.
been thinking to take last lvl arti for runearm but will lose lvl 7 cleric spells and less caster lvl for heals etc.
Well report back when i get this one done.
Cheers
Sth*xBeen tinkering some more and was tinking about a monk shuri version of this.
Then I saw the h-elf with arti delitant then I could drop arti go 6 ranger move completionist to epic feat and get zen archery. Maybe get 1 fight for the feat.March 3, 2017 at 10:59 am #9151SthaxMemberSoooooo….
If ran 13 cleric / 6 ranger / 1 arti
https://postimg.org/image/j8gkup7kl/
good fun proccing terror or paralyse arrows. Doing the CC means you dont have to heal as much. Dps is crap as expected.
encantment DC is 62 at lvl 30 68 with arcane insight.between healing and shooting an xbow is troublesome because the repeater animation needs to finish befor the spell can be cast. <- not good in tight situation.
this live i didn’t take the mental thougness line and went for the extra enchantment focus. The mana pool is still exceptable getting 3000 SP as this pool is for healing only its more then enough in most cases.
defense is okay but nothing special as i’m running around with a xbow all day. must be said that paralysed or feared mobs dont hit you.Exalted angel might not be the best ED for this split. shiradi or primal avatar should wortk better at a loss of 3 encant DC and a mass heal SLA.
the healing is fine in 6 man groups. ran 6 man slavers on r3 with a group and could keep them on their feet pretty well.
Took the healing aura this live and i must say it makes things alot easier. i need to click heals alot less, wich give me time to CC some more, wich lets me heal less.
last but least i macro’d my mouse to the healing 5 buttons. makes my allot faster ion the heal department while running around and shooting my xbow.
Also i really dont use the Heal spell much. its mostly coccoon and renew and then the mass heal sla. wich makes me think if its at all needed. a (mass) regeneration is much more controllable. For heal dots keep people up much better then flat heals.
might be interesting to have a loo9k at dr00dsWell thats it for this live.
Will be going to run my monk shuri version. 13 cleric/ 6 monk /1 fight Helf prolly in shiradi with wirling wrist and nerve venom. loads more feats and dex wis synergy.something along the line of this http://textuploader.com/dtsdy!
I’ll keep you posted.
cheers.March 7, 2017 at 11:17 pm #9189SthaxMemberAre there any ways to get higher enchantment DC apart from wisdom – focus – and twists ? Apart from the feats ofc and the AA enhancements.
Got wis based, the +5 focus +2 insight focus item, draconic fear +3, magister specialist +3 and +3 exalted angel.
Gonna need to get epic completionist to twist in the heal sla’s.And is there a way to check the DC for AA arrows?
Cheers,
Sth*xMarch 8, 2017 at 8:16 am #9190SinaefayMemberFury of the wild has Acute Instincts which if gives +2 wis when raged. The Greater Enchantment Focus augment gives +2 (it works for spells, so might work for this too).
Those are the ones I can think of atm.
March 8, 2017 at 9:08 am #9191SthaxMemberAh yes the augment never thoughed of it.
I decided to just calculate the DC.
Base 20
Wis mod 25 ish
AA tree 4
Dragonic 3
Magister 3
EA ED 3
Leg feat 4Aug 2
Focus 5
Insg F 2
Profane 1Ship 1
Total: 73
Would that work for will saves in LE also curious to see what the goldilocks number is. Would love to rearrange some twists. Or switch to dex basedEmbolden 2 //if I can find space for it. prolly can.
Arcane insight 6 // 30 sec out of 3 min .. not very efficient. as the paralyse and terror is used on trash and in 3 min you have gone by allot of trash mobs.Optional feats:
Wiz Pl 1
Bard Pl 1
Enchant focus 1
G focus 1Seems like the feat are to expensive for the 4 points. Rather use them for faster attacks. = more procs
After reading up on thrower/monchers I might go 3 monk 6 ranger 11 cleric. But it depends on how this build will work out. At Lvl 22 now so have some testing to do.
March 8, 2017 at 9:20 am #9192SthaxMemberwait.. does the augment stack with the item focus?
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